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you're tuned in to night vision radio

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exposing the truth one secret at a time

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prepare yourself as we explore the

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shadow worlds of suppressed history

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secret knowledge forbidden religion and

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shine a light on the conspiracies to

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welcome to night vision radio hey

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everybody welcome to night vision so

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glad you could join us this evening I'm

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excited about the show before I get into

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tonight's broadcast I want to remind all

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you Reni's out there that we are

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inviting and encouraging everyone

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everyone that can to head over to

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southwest France the first week of May

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just going to have a meet-up it's not a

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tour there's no cost except getting

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yourself over there of course and I know

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that's not easy for most people but if

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you can it all manage to especially if

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you're a renter searcher or a writer or

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an author writing on these subjects it

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might be a good opportunity to get

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together with some like-minded people

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share your research maybe find some

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missing pieces to the puzzle who knows

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but anyway I'll be there I'm going to be

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doing a screening of bloodline the film

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that I produced along with my partner

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Bruce Burgess we're celebrating the ten

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year anniversary of bloodline and we're

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going to be doing a film to commemorate

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that and also in honor of our late

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friend Edward Flaherty who was our Paris

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producer and interpreter and also

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appeared in the film so we're not going

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to charge for that film we are going to

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be taking donations at the door for

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those who would like to donate and all

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those donations will be sent on to

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Edwards children he has a couple of of

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young kids in France and we'd like to

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help them out as much as we can in their

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future without their dear dad and anyhow

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so speaking of rennes-le-chateau and

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others such mysteries my guest tonight

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is well deep into that mystery along

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with lots of others and he's been on

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before and I have to have him on every

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now and then because he just keeps going

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he's like the that ever-ready bunny he

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just keeps on going and going and going

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and he keeps coming up with new evidence

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all the time to either support his new

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theories support his theories or to

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create brand new trails blazed new

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trails so you might have guessed by now

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I'm talking about author and researcher

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and historian I like to say court

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Lindell 8-quart hey there thanks for

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having me again Renae I appreciate it

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it's good to be here well I had to you

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know just to sort of sort out some of

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the most recent stuff and you know it's

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so interesting because I mean if you

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just take I mean these these mysteries

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in these overarching mysteries and these

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interconnected mysteries there's such a

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big area of so you know big subject area

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that it's sort of hard to sort of hone

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in on anything but if you just sort of

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look at you know the the early people

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our founding fathers something it's kind

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of well-known now that our founding

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fathers a lot of more Freemasons and

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involved in other secret societies you

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of the Cincinnati and some of the

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well-known people of our history with

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of sort of secret society stuff and some

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Longfellow so I don't know if where you

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want to start but you know another

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is the name of Benedict Arnold when we

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hear that name we always think of all

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traitor traitor and most of us don't

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story or how it was that he

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name has just become synonymous but he

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Arnold the first just this week court

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that and you sent me something in print

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on that too which I think it's up on

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your blog if I'm not mistaken but

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monuments and things like that that's

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instructions on where he wanted to be

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buried right well that that's really

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week was when I was looking at really

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pathway between his dwelling and his

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stone built windmill so this was really

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interesting to me I'd never closely paid

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attention to that before and when I saw

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that I was well that this fits right

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into a lot of the things I'm saying so

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of it at the same angle that it points

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to it points directly to Benedict

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the concept of the New Jerusalem or the

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New Atlantis of Sir Francis Bacon in

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which landscaping this is part of the

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architecture and landscaping that they

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the colonial capital of Williamsburg

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subject and new to your material you've

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link up with other other sites now we

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was and now when you're talking about

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about some of these structures you know

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having sort of talismanic value to just

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to some of these people or at least they

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wanted them to appear to does that have

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burial places in specific locations and

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this this tradition goes back to as far

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back as Constantine if not to Egypt with

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all the legends of you know Horus horses

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temples creating a pilgrimage from one

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temple to the other but by the time of

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Constantine there is a I noticed a kind

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of unknown there of as to the exact

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place he was buried and as I you know

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Charlemagne who intentionally created a

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mystery as to where his remains are and

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other quote Gnostic texts and relics

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emperors that were descendant of him

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were prompted to find and there's

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frederick ii the holy roman emperor so

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the this tradition kind of links to even

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a Rosicrucian concept of christian

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information and other relics that are

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important so all of this kind of links

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mythology and I think that's kind of

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what Benedict Arnold was even referring

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while being a lot more literate possibly

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than today looking towards literature

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political concepts and social concepts

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would be written into these by the

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authors that made them so Benedict

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Arnold possibly was no exception to the

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rule and what's really interesting as I

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was saying is the similarities between

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the Newport tower and the powder

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magazine in Williamsburg and if we look

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at both of these structures our

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octagonal in the tradition of the Tower

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of the winds which I believe Constantine

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was also emulating this and created a

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mystery of his own using a an octagon he

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may have even built on the Temple Mount

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in Jerusalem and this later links to the

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what I call the Arcadian mysteries in

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their origins possibly in Ravenna Italy

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structures there and churches that even

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predate the building of a similar array

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a representative message was being sent

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by all these arrays of architecture such

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as we see in Washington DC which a lot

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of people have written about and if we

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those is Williamsburg and possibly a new

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with this and that's why it was

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interesting to see Arnold wishing to be

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buried in alignment because I found

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another similar mystery in Williamsburg

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that I believe is associated with the

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powder magazine and the lost remains of

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colonial rebel Nathaniel bacon who was

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actually related

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to Sir Francis Bacon and other bacon

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family members now you've said that a

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lot of these structures especially here

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in the new world were created by members

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of the Cavaliers and the Cavaliers were

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the Royalists backers of Charles one of

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King Charles and who believed in the

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monarchy is that right yes yes in the

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the extends to charles ii as well and

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both of them go ahead so there was kind

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of a like a secret underground battle

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going on amongst the you know the

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cavaliers and the and the so-called

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round heads who who were not the

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Royalists right right they had been the

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parliamentarians or those that favor the

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parliamentarians right all right so that

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the the Stewart's are that King Charles

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and you know the sons of James the first

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and grandsons continued to be kings of

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England till about the turn of the 17th

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to 18th century or 1600s to 1700s and

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and throughout this time they were

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persecuted in part because they were

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Catholics and they still believed in the

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more royal prerogative where they could

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dictate what the Parliament would even

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do so there's a big political conflict

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between these two groups of people and

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of course the Kings had this whole

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infrastructure of other people who

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depended on them for their business

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dealings that benefited you know from

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government contracts of the day so to

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speak that supported these Kings as well

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and many of them were not even Catholic

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but were associated with the king as

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well but we see the Cavaliers came from

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the bodyguard or the personal troops of

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the Kings and each time there were

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disputes such as in the case when

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Charles the first was beheaded that a

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lot of these Cavaliers would be exiled

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in the colonies

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and two of the biggest places they were

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exiled to was Rhode Island and Virginia

328
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mm-hmm so it's interesting that in both

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places during these same periods of

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history when these X Isles were arriving

331
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we see Governor Arnold as far as the

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straight history tells it I know there's

333
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a lot of people that think the Newport

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tower is older but really there's a lot

335
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more evidence saying that it was built

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during this period when the Cavaliers

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were coming to Rhode Island in Virginia

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and the same thing could be said later

339
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of the powder magazine in Colonial

340
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Williamsburg and both these structures

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kind of harken back to the Tower of the

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winds in having timekeeping and

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navigational attributes as working as a

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fixed point on the earth from which you

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could navigate from so what's terribly

346
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interesting is the octagonal array of

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both the Newport tower and the powder

348
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magazine in Williamsburg actually points

349
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an arc on the globe to each other

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Wow so these are these structures are

351
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actually pointed to each other by their

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orientation and octagonal form so this

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would point more to that being an

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affectation of these Cavaliers or the

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supporters of the exiled or beheaded

356
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kings of Scotland England and Ireland

357
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right well you know now Benedict Arnold

358
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was the governor of Virginia right he

359
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was the governor of Rhode Island of

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Rhode Island all right all right of

361
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course but there are some other really

362
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interesting links between Williamsburg

363
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and Rhode Island in that one of the

364
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early governors of Virginia a man named

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Francis Nicholson whose name will again

366
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surface later if we talk about the

367
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Burton parish church fault in

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Williamsburg actually founded the

369
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Trinity Episcopal Church in Rhode Island

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in Newport Rhode Island

371
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and this man actually designed the

372
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street plan of Williamsburg and

373
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Annapolis Maryland which a lot of

374
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landscape designers say is the direct

375
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inspiration for the National Mall in

376
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Washington DC so Williamsburg really is

377
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the forerunner of what we see at the

378
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National Mall in this governor of

379
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Virginia was the one who designed the

380
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streets that the plant the earlier plans

381
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that inspired this so it's really

382
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interesting

383
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along with these cavalier connections

384
00:19:33,549 --> 00:19:29,149
that he during the same part of the late

385
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1600s planned all of these cities and he

386
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,330
was a really interesting guy because

387
00:19:39,730 --> 00:19:37,520
he's one of these we'll go over a few

388
00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:39,740
people tonight his name's or family's

389
00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:41,990
names keep popping up at different

390
00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:44,620
places of mysteries that seem to be

391
00:19:49,649 --> 00:19:46,940
intentionally presented to us like Oak

392
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:49,659
Island and the Newport tower and the

393
00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:52,450
bacons fault in Williamsburg because

394
00:19:56,980 --> 00:19:55,130
Francis Nicholson was also at one time

395
00:20:01,539 --> 00:19:56,990
the governor of Nova Scotia and

396
00:20:03,070 --> 00:20:01,549
Newfoundland so his name is associated

397
00:20:06,130 --> 00:20:03,080
with all of these events that could

398
00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:06,140
possibly be connected to the mysteries

399
00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:08,350
at hand that seemed to have been kind of

400
00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:13,370
shown to us in part I think through the

401
00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:16,760
work of these writers that I've been

402
00:20:21,779 --> 00:20:18,710
speaking of who put them in the mind of

403
00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:21,789
the public through some of their works

404
00:20:30,010 --> 00:20:27,130
you know minuto me this story about the

405
00:20:34,450 --> 00:20:30,020
burial instructions for Benedict Arnold

406
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:34,460
and you know I began to think about the

407
00:20:41,710 --> 00:20:37,370
it's his grandson it's the was the

408
00:20:44,260 --> 00:20:41,720
traitor yes yes and I wondered you know

409
00:20:46,510 --> 00:20:44,270
was there any kind of conspiracy around

410
00:20:50,620 --> 00:20:46,520
that I mean we always just think of him

411
00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:50,630
as you know being this sort of horrible

412
00:20:55,299 --> 00:20:53,929
horrible repulsive traitor and you know

413
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:55,309
no one ever wants to be called to

414
00:21:02,169 --> 00:20:58,880
Benedict Arnold but you know with all

415
00:21:05,020 --> 00:21:02,179
the things that were going on all the

416
00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:05,030
machinations going on I

417
00:21:08,890 --> 00:21:06,470
you know you wonder if there wasn't

418
00:21:13,410 --> 00:21:08,900
something political about that whole

419
00:21:16,270 --> 00:21:13,420
thing now well there was because he

420
00:21:18,970 --> 00:21:16,280
Benedict Arnold the traitor that we all

421
00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:18,980
know from the Revolutionary War put

422
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:21,140
himself in a difficult position with his

423
00:21:29,710 --> 00:21:26,770
fellow commanders and he he accused

424
00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:29,720
nicholas easton who is also related to a

425
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:33,710
governor of Rhode Island of stealing a

426
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,170
payroll from Fort Ticonderoga and

427
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,760
keeping it for himself

428
00:21:42,130 --> 00:21:40,400
and so really all of the problems that

429
00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:42,140
this later caused with him and his

430
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:44,510
fellow officers is ultimately really

431
00:21:49,780 --> 00:21:47,090
what compelled him to go over to the

432
00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:49,790
British side so there may be more

433
00:21:54,340 --> 00:21:51,830
reasons to it I haven't found yet but it

434
00:21:58,510 --> 00:21:54,350
seems that just at each step he he kind

435
00:22:00,850 --> 00:21:58,520
of became the goat that that people yeah

436
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,860
like because he was trying to get them

437
00:22:05,260 --> 00:22:02,960
in trouble for pilfering things during

438
00:22:08,170 --> 00:22:05,270
wartime and and we've spoken about this

439
00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:08,180
before all of that relates to another

440
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,220
treasure legend of our friend Matthew

441
00:22:15,850 --> 00:22:13,520
McGurn that's also associated with the

442
00:22:19,090 --> 00:22:15,860
reproduction of the Newport tower called

443
00:22:22,270 --> 00:22:19,100
the Stafford Hill Memorial in western

444
00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:22,280
Massachusetts that also involves Henry

445
00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:25,190
Wadsworth Longfellow having once owned

446
00:22:31,690 --> 00:22:27,830
some of the property where Matthew has

447
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:31,700
found Clues now it drives you there so

448
00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:35,200
there's another another structure there

449
00:22:42,370 --> 00:22:40,190
yes sure and who built that do we know

450
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,380
anything about that yes it's called the

451
00:22:47,530 --> 00:22:44,480
Stafford Hill memorial because it was

452
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:47,540
built to mark the grave site of Jobe

453
00:22:53,170 --> 00:22:49,970
Stafford who was a Revolutionary War

454
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:53,180
hero as well and he was from Newport

455
00:22:57,850 --> 00:22:55,850
Rhode Island and he was descendant of

456
00:23:03,940 --> 00:22:57,860
Thomas Stafford who is the earliest

457
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:03,950
windmill builder in of the colonies in

458
00:23:08,590 --> 00:23:06,050
Newport Rhode Island and this is the man

459
00:23:13,330 --> 00:23:08,600
I I suspect actually built the Newport

460
00:23:16,030 --> 00:23:13,340
tower in the mid 1600s as a kind of

461
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:16,040
symbol of the Exile Cavaliers that had

462
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:17,850
come to Newport Rhode Island

463
00:23:22,670 --> 00:23:20,490
and this is really it's interesting that

464
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:22,680
we're even using the term Cavalier which

465
00:23:28,790 --> 00:23:26,910
means night mm-hmm and and we have all

466
00:23:32,150 --> 00:23:28,800
of this later lore of the Knights

467
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:32,160
Templar people suspect built the Newport

468
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:35,910
tower or the Norse had built the Newport

469
00:23:41,060 --> 00:23:38,520
tower at a much earlier date but when we

470
00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:41,070
look at this kind of information there's

471
00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:45,030
a lot more information available that

472
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:46,980
really tells you what's going on then

473
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:49,310
all of the gray area that's left in

474
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:51,930
suspecting that earlier people had come

475
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:53,610
where you just have to take certain

476
00:23:59,780 --> 00:23:55,980
parts of it on faith and there's no

477
00:24:01,820 --> 00:23:59,790
actual evidence to support this what I

478
00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:01,830
wonder what kind of property records

479
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:04,470
would have been in existence in the

480
00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:08,190
1600s well there's some it the there are

481
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,340
some I mean for instance another man

482
00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:13,440
named nicholas east and the fora bearer

483
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:15,630
of the colonel from the Revolutionary

484
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:18,960
War that I was just referring to was a

485
00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:22,320
governor of Rhode Island and he built

486
00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:24,510
his home just a few blocks from where

487
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:28,350
the Newport Tower is prior to its

488
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:31,410
construction by Governor Arnold and he

489
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,010
never mentions a tower being there

490
00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:37,200
his descriptions of the town developing

491
00:24:42,410 --> 00:24:39,750
and really that's one of the the biggest

492
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:42,420
arguments against the early origins of

493
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:43,890
the Newport tower that how many

494
00:24:52,030 --> 00:24:47,490
thousands of colonists I mean by the

495
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:52,040
1650s there was probably 70,000 people

496
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,170
living close enough to Newport that they

497
00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:56,880
would know if there had been a tower

498
00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:00,120
there before it was built by Governor

499
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:02,220
Arnold nobody ever mentions it in their

500
00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:05,130
writings descriptions of Newport or

501
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:08,040
anything like that when was the first

502
00:25:13,660 --> 00:25:10,140
mention that that you've been able to

503
00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:13,670
find wasn't in governor Arnold's will

504
00:25:21,050 --> 00:25:18,540
but was it the first yeah I mean that

505
00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:21,060
that really a lot of the things I read

506
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:23,910
even a lot of people argue that the

507
00:25:29,420 --> 00:25:26,700
Newport tower wasn't even a windmill and

508
00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:29,430
I believe that's possible as well that

509
00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:31,260
Governor Arnold may have just built this

510
00:25:34,790 --> 00:25:31,620
as a

511
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:34,800
folly just like the the tower rainless

512
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:38,640
chateau or the powder magazine in in

513
00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:40,710
Williamsburg for other similar

514
00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:42,840
structures a tower of the winds copies

515
00:25:48,770 --> 00:25:45,150
at Shugborough Hall and the West Wycombe

516
00:25:53,180 --> 00:25:48,780
estate in England so that this kind of

517
00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:53,190
got to be a known fad after a while that

518
00:25:57,530 --> 00:25:55,020
on the states people would build these

519
00:25:59,840 --> 00:25:57,540
temporally sensitive monuments that

520
00:26:03,350 --> 00:25:59,850
referred to the Tower of the winds in

521
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:03,360
Athens and we see even at the West

522
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:06,360
Wycombe estate with Sir Francis Dashwood

523
00:26:11,660 --> 00:26:09,570
and the dilettante society that they

524
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:11,670
even wrote about these monuments and

525
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:16,260
visited lots of Greek and Roman ruins

526
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:19,679
and recorded the temples that they

527
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:22,020
thought held these qualities including

528
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:25,490
the Tower of the winds of Athens

529
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,580
though how long has that been there when

530
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:38,640
was that constructed the estimates are

531
00:26:46,790 --> 00:26:44,910
anywhere between 200 BC and 50 BC so yes

532
00:26:48,770 --> 00:26:46,800
it's been there quite a long time and

533
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:48,780
it's just north of the Acropolis and

534
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:53,360
it's a simple octagonal tower that is

535
00:26:59,660 --> 00:26:57,210
known to have had a water clock in it a

536
00:27:02,299 --> 00:26:59,670
clock that worked by water pressure and

537
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:02,309
this would have helped them to fix time

538
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:06,480
and longitude in the in association with

539
00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:09,030
astronomical observations the Tower of

540
00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:12,270
the winds oriented to the pole star to

541
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,630
true north and a lot of people speculate

542
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,520
that there was once a device in the

543
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:19,200
tower the wind similar to the

544
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:21,330
Antikythera device which measured the

545
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:23,970
movements of the planets as well using

546
00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:27,090
water pressure so they would create a

547
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:29,280
steady water pressure and this

548
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:31,950
ultimately would lend them in defining

549
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:34,860
their domain because they could compare

550
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:37,050
other places to the star readings and

551
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:40,200
the time that they collected there using

552
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:42,390
various methods and this took a lot

553
00:27:47,730 --> 00:27:45,040
longer after the advent of the magnetic

554
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:47,740
all of these things became somewhat

555
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:52,390
easier to do at any time and with other

556
00:27:57,870 --> 00:27:55,930
axes on the earth such as st. Peter's

557
00:28:00,000 --> 00:27:57,880
Square of the Vatican and various

558
00:28:02,820 --> 00:28:00,010
structures built by royalty and some of

559
00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:02,830
these family members even later that we

560
00:28:07,170 --> 00:28:04,780
see involved in rainless Chateau this

561
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:07,180
became a tradition that all had

562
00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:09,670
Rosicrucian overtones that even hearken

563
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:12,790
back like as I was saying to Constantine

564
00:28:19,530 --> 00:28:16,720
the Great which in a lot of ways I think

565
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:19,540
he was the originator of what we

566
00:28:25,650 --> 00:28:23,590
consider Rosicrucian thought today well

567
00:28:27,660 --> 00:28:25,660
you know what it's time to take a quick

568
00:28:30,390 --> 00:28:27,670
break and when we come back more with

569
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:30,400
court Lindell and more with the making

570
00:28:39,150 --> 00:28:33,910
of America and other mysteries stay with

571
00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:39,160
us hey and we're back well hey we got

572
00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:40,990
into such an interesting conversation on

573
00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:42,760
the break we almost forgot to come back

574
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:46,390
I tell you we were actually talking

575
00:28:54,060 --> 00:28:49,510
about the trip to France coming up in

576
00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:54,070
May encouraging all renesis Oh mystery

577
00:29:01,230 --> 00:28:56,440
buffs and researchers and writers and

578
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:01,240
authors to come over and join up and

579
00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:05,770
have some entertainment and some oh oh

580
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:07,780
also I forgot to mention we're going to

581
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:09,730
be showing bloodline the film we're also

582
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:12,730
going to be screening another film

583
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:16,090
called the Otherworld by Richard Stanley

584
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:17,770
now that's going to be at a different

585
00:29:23,850 --> 00:29:20,710
time and possibly a different location

586
00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:23,860
but we'll keep everything posted when we

587
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:26,470
start to see figure out all the venues

588
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:28,270
for these places I'll be posting them on

589
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:30,580
Facebook if you're interested in going

590
00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:34,510
there's a page called Rennie Union 2018

591
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:39,640
on Facebook if you want to join that

592
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,160
group let me know and I will approve you

593
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:44,640
to come on in as long as you're nice

594
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,770
anyhow but we've been talking about

595
00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:50,080
render Chateau and those mysteries in in

596
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:52,780
you know bringing it back forward back

597
00:29:57,529 --> 00:29:55,570
to the Americas again back to you know

598
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:57,539
Washington DC to Newport

599
00:30:02,359 --> 00:29:59,580
Rhode Island into these other locations

600
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:02,369
and you know we were talking about how

601
00:30:06,289 --> 00:30:04,679
there was sort of an undercurrent well

602
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:06,299
not sort of an undercurrent but there

603
00:30:11,989 --> 00:30:09,809
was an undercurrent of these secret

604
00:30:14,419 --> 00:30:11,999
groups sort of working at odds with each

605
00:30:15,979 --> 00:30:14,429
other those that were backing the

606
00:30:21,229 --> 00:30:15,989
Royalists and those that were backing

607
00:30:22,969 --> 00:30:21,239
the the parliamentarians and there was a

608
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:22,979
lot of stuff going on back in those days

609
00:30:29,379 --> 00:30:26,220
and a lot of our very very prominent

610
00:30:31,369 --> 00:30:29,389
people our luminaries names from history

611
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:31,379
that you've heard over and over again

612
00:30:37,729 --> 00:30:34,470
they were all involved either overtly or

613
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:37,739
secretly and it's it's so interesting we

614
00:30:41,629 --> 00:30:39,210
were talking about people like Edgar

615
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:41,639
Allen Poe now how does he figure into

616
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:44,849
all this court well Poe's are really of

617
00:30:50,419 --> 00:30:46,409
course interesting and enigmatic

618
00:30:53,089 --> 00:30:50,429
character and what I found when I looked

619
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:53,099
into his genealogy was amazing because

620
00:30:59,499 --> 00:30:56,220
his mother's name her maiden name was

621
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:02,570
yes and she was from the same Arnold

622
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:05,940
family descendent I think Benedict

623
00:31:11,089 --> 00:31:08,720
Arnold the traitor was from the ninth

624
00:31:13,489 --> 00:31:11,099
generation of Arnold the first from

625
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:13,499
England and she was from the 11th

626
00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:16,529
generation still maintaining the same

627
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:19,470
last name from her family so she was

628
00:31:24,919 --> 00:31:21,539
closely related to Benedict Arnold

629
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:24,929
senior and the the later traitor that we

630
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:28,200
know of so that is terribly interesting

631
00:31:33,009 --> 00:31:30,690
when you look at kind of all the other

632
00:31:36,919 --> 00:31:33,019
connections that Edgar Allen Poe

633
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:36,929
especially showed in the gold book that

634
00:31:42,499 --> 00:31:39,059
he wrote that kind of has a lot of

635
00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:42,509
references to rainless Chateau and Oak

636
00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:46,200
Island and other stories he's written as

637
00:31:51,019 --> 00:31:48,779
well some of them are suspected to

638
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:51,029
contain codes just like the works of Sir

639
00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:54,370
Francis Bacon progressive presents

640
00:31:59,460 --> 00:31:56,950
get pugs inspiration to help you do

641
00:32:01,080 --> 00:31:59,470
insurance stuff okay time out

642
00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:01,090
you've gotta let your budget be the boss

643
00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:03,100
of you take control with progressives

644
00:32:06,510 --> 00:32:04,870
name your price tool tell us what you

645
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,520
want to pay for car insurance and we'll

646
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:07,840
help you find options that fit your

647
00:32:12,029 --> 00:32:09,490
budget here's some music to get you

648
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,039
pooped down - down - down - no gain gain

649
00:32:16,919 --> 00:32:14,320
I hear your budget laughing at you oh

650
00:32:18,539 --> 00:32:16,929
wait that's just those kids laughing at

651
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:18,549
me ignore them

652
00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:19,840
don't Island an aggressive casualty

653
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:20,830
insurance company in a city that's

654
00:32:24,419 --> 00:32:22,210
pricing coverage not limited by state

655
00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:24,429
law and there's one work of his name

656
00:32:29,639 --> 00:32:26,740
Eureka that if you read it you'll have

657
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:29,649
really hard time figuring it out and

658
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:31,870
there's a lot of references to Sir

659
00:32:37,649 --> 00:32:33,610
Francis Bacon in there and other

660
00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:37,659
philosophers that he admired as well so

661
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:41,380
even if we if we look at things like the

662
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:46,240
Beale treasure that Poe had this close

663
00:32:54,029 --> 00:32:51,490
relationship to the Society of the

664
00:32:56,970 --> 00:32:54,039
Cincinnati I believe he was possibly a

665
00:32:58,830 --> 00:32:56,980
member of but he was also part of the

666
00:33:02,639 --> 00:32:58,840
honored guard of the Marquis de

667
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:02,649
Lafayette went during his last trip to

668
00:33:07,889 --> 00:33:05,380
the United States and what I've done is

669
00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:07,899
really even link the family of Lafayette

670
00:33:12,659 --> 00:33:10,870
to the blanch forts that are part of the

671
00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:12,669
rainless Chateau mystery and the de

672
00:33:18,529 --> 00:33:15,640
Latour family that really are another

673
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,539
one of these families whose name pops up

674
00:33:22,529 --> 00:33:20,799
continually at different sites of

675
00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:22,539
mystery and everything from rainless

676
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,700
Chateau to Nova Scotia and the Oak

677
00:33:32,130 --> 00:33:29,679
Island treasure and all the political

678
00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:32,140
intrigue surrounding that - even

679
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:35,649
Lynchburg Virginia associated with the

680
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:40,510
Beale treasure so the he seemed to be in

681
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:43,570
the know he attended the University of

682
00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:45,490
Virginia at a time when President

683
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:48,760
Jefferson was still alive at which time

684
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:51,340
his roommate was robert e lee's first

685
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:56,110
cousin Zacchaeus Lee oh you just said

686
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,679
something you just said Lee I was

687
00:34:04,110 --> 00:34:02,080
thinking about and pardon the rude

688
00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:04,120
interruption but I was thinking about

689
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:07,720
you know all the the work of Edgar Allan

690
00:34:10,379 --> 00:34:08,169
Poe you

691
00:34:13,770 --> 00:34:10,389
in the gold-bug and how it seemed to

692
00:34:16,109 --> 00:34:13,780
definitely have some clues in there that

693
00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:16,119
that relate up to these mysteries but I

694
00:34:26,369 --> 00:34:18,460
was thinking about you know the his

695
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:26,379
other works and in the yeah and she was

696
00:34:31,169 --> 00:34:28,450
talking about how she loved Edgar Allen

697
00:34:33,329 --> 00:34:31,179
Poe and I said me too my my mother used

698
00:34:36,059 --> 00:34:33,339
to read Poe to us all the time when we

699
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:36,069
were little and my favorite was Annabel

700
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:38,770
Lee and then you mentioned Lee and I

701
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:43,119
wondered if if the something in more of

702
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:45,970
Poe's works some other secret clues that

703
00:34:52,619 --> 00:34:49,599
you know if you read them now with the

704
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:52,629
well what you now know in mind have you

705
00:34:56,730 --> 00:34:53,369
tried that

706
00:34:58,650 --> 00:34:56,740
well yes I'm continually working on that

707
00:35:00,660 --> 00:34:58,660
since I've discovered that these authors

708
00:35:04,829 --> 00:35:00,670
are involved I've been getting my fill

709
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:04,839
of Longfellow Shakespeare Poe and many

710
00:35:10,589 --> 00:35:07,720
others and really that speaks to part of

711
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:10,599
what I think this is all about that the

712
00:35:15,539 --> 00:35:13,630
way these things work it compels you to

713
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:15,549
have to be exposed to all of this great

714
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:18,250
artwork too which is maybe one of the

715
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:20,770
goals that they have because they know

716
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:23,710
that these kind of concepts are in Poe

717
00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:26,490
and Longfellow that are truly American

718
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:31,000
ideals taking into account all of these

719
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,710
legends of other countries and

720
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:35,680
everything because our American authors

721
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:37,270
would have learned these from people

722
00:35:45,319 --> 00:35:40,030
like the Cavaliers and Jacobites who

723
00:35:49,319 --> 00:35:45,329
supported the Fallen Kings at first and

724
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:49,329
you know as use even in intelligence

725
00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:52,569
services this could get give Americans a

726
00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:55,000
lot of understanding as to the inner

727
00:36:03,299 --> 00:35:57,160
workings of royalty and gent read

728
00:36:05,099 --> 00:36:03,309
families in Europe and it's just so

729
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:05,109
interesting that Poe has all of these

730
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:08,650
associations with Virginia where the

731
00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:10,450
mysteries that I've talked about like

732
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:13,630
the bruton parish church vault are and

733
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:15,609
the Beale treasure and then he has this

734
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:17,980
family relation direct to the Newport

735
00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:21,910
tower and it's entirely possible Poe was

736
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:23,500
member of the Society of the Cincinnati

737
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:26,410
that we discussed before that was

738
00:36:30,359 --> 00:36:28,660
comprised of military officers from the

739
00:36:33,390 --> 00:36:30,369
Revolution and one of their male

740
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:33,400
descendants which he was qualified for

741
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,170
because his father took part in the

742
00:36:40,289 --> 00:36:37,500
Revolutionary War as an officer that

743
00:36:45,089 --> 00:36:40,299
even some sources say worked for the

744
00:36:47,339 --> 00:36:45,099
Marquis de Lafayette so he has all the

745
00:36:50,099 --> 00:36:47,349
right he's in all the right places and

746
00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:50,109
knows all the right people and was an

747
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:52,630
artist of stature that could have

748
00:36:57,660 --> 00:36:54,430
contributed a lot to our understanding

749
00:37:00,930 --> 00:36:57,670
of these places as well as what

750
00:37:05,099 --> 00:37:00,940
Longfellow did in his writings about the

751
00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:05,109
Norse that relate to the the theories

752
00:37:09,809 --> 00:37:07,990
later that the Newport towers of Norse

753
00:37:12,779 --> 00:37:09,819
origins which seems to really have

754
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:12,789
political reasons that this point of

755
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:16,990
view was a spout prior to the discovery

756
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:19,450
of Lanza meadows and Newfoundland that

757
00:37:24,809 --> 00:37:21,690
people were knew from the Norse Sagas

758
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:24,819
that Vikings had been to North America

759
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:26,170
somewhere but they weren't quite sure

760
00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:29,410
yet so they promoted this as a political

761
00:37:35,490 --> 00:37:31,990
point of view that supported even their

762
00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:35,500
land claims or which culture had a claim

763
00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:40,150
to owning North America even before it

764
00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:43,390
became the United States so a lot of

765
00:37:48,329 --> 00:37:45,460
this is tied up in the legal description

766
00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:48,339
of property and who has the right to own

767
00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:50,500
what and then it becomes a silent war

768
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:53,470
later of all of these people writing

769
00:38:01,620 --> 00:37:56,410
about it and espousing their views via

770
00:38:04,289 --> 00:38:01,630
literature exactly and this is why you

771
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:04,299
know history or the standard history

772
00:38:09,539 --> 00:38:06,130
that we're taught it's just not

773
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:09,549
completely reliable because all these

774
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:11,770
things were being written by whoever was

775
00:38:16,589 --> 00:38:14,410
in power at the time and from their

776
00:38:18,269 --> 00:38:16,599
political point of view and when you go

777
00:38:21,150 --> 00:38:18,279
back and really start digging like what

778
00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:21,160
you've done then you start finding that

779
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:24,190
well you know maybe this was you know

780
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:25,720
skewed a little bit in this direction

781
00:38:30,779 --> 00:38:28,480
because of this political view or that

782
00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:30,789
political view and then even things like

783
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:33,640
in and I'm not saying that that that he

784
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:34,730
was an innocent man

785
00:38:39,460 --> 00:38:36,770
but even things like the story of

786
00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:39,470
Benedict Arnold have to be somewhat

787
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:43,390
skewed by whoever's political views were

788
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,810
doing the accounting at that time and so

789
00:38:51,849 --> 00:38:50,000
I mean I think that's why the kind of

790
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:51,859
work that you do is so valuable because

791
00:38:58,780 --> 00:38:55,609
you just you know you dig dig dig and in

792
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,790
facts or facts and then once you line up

793
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:01,040
the facts then you start seeing the

794
00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:05,090
picture right but it takes a long time

795
00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:07,430
because you've got a lot of facts that

796
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,520
you're going through and I know I I

797
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:12,320
think I talk to you for about two years

798
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:15,890
and it started all clicking you know

799
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,560
finally finally I think maybe I'm

800
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:21,200
particularly alright dance or something

801
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:23,830
good right that's why I was I was

802
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:27,170
recently just excited to find a place a

803
00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:29,510
point on the earth where there's an

804
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:34,580
overlap of all of it yes that even is

805
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:37,400
linked to Longfellow and things that he

806
00:39:42,099 --> 00:39:39,890
wrote and I was amazed because I had

807
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:42,109
even written about the Isles of skill II

808
00:39:47,650 --> 00:39:44,600
previously because Starr Castle is

809
00:39:51,370 --> 00:39:47,660
located there was which is an octagonal

810
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,380
fort built during Elizabethan times that

811
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:54,320
points directly to the Newport tower now

812
00:40:00,010 --> 00:39:55,930
I have to make a confession

813
00:40:02,980 --> 00:40:00,020
I did not know where the Isles of skill

814
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:02,990
II were but they're off the Cornish

815
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:07,250
coast and if you're listening now but

816
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:09,410
not in the chat room I've just posted a

817
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:14,810
picture of a map of of Cornwall and the

818
00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:17,450
skille Islands or the Isles of skill II

819
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:23,300
I should say so tell us about what's the

820
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,090
importance of that of this of the Isles

821
00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:28,400
of skille in this story well there's

822
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:31,670
three different important overlaps to

823
00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:33,920
other concepts that we all enjoy even

824
00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:36,200
with their English at Oh mr. ear that we

825
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:38,840
become aware of from looking at that

826
00:40:44,290 --> 00:40:42,170
first of all we'll be led back to

827
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:44,300
Santiago de Compostella

828
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:46,130
and the pilgrimage route that we were

829
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,710
talking about during the break

830
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:51,440
via the personage of a man named

831
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:55,010
Priscilla in' and this man lived in the

832
00:41:01,920 --> 00:40:58,400
4th century and really espoused a kind

833
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:01,930
of manichaean point of view towards

834
00:41:08,589 --> 00:41:05,089
Christianity in which they had perfect

835
00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:08,599
eye that women could be priests as well

836
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:13,240
and a lot of things that we later see

837
00:41:20,049 --> 00:41:15,920
directly being associated with the

838
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:20,059
Cathars and Brazilian was in Spain yes

839
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:22,490
he was from Spain and his at one time

840
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:24,910
was made the bishop of Avila Spain

841
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:27,530
that's disputed by the church today

842
00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:30,770
because a kind of rebel faction gave him

843
00:41:37,809 --> 00:41:36,230
this position but he was really you know

844
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:37,819
have the kind of point of view that

845
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,790
Christ walked as a man and wasn't divine

846
00:41:46,990 --> 00:41:42,800
like God was and that's really one of

847
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,000
the biggest divisive points through the

848
00:41:52,299 --> 00:41:50,240
history of Christianity where a lot of

849
00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:52,309
these conflicts occurred over including

850
00:42:00,099 --> 00:41:55,640
the Cathars and the Bogomils and other

851
00:42:02,410 --> 00:42:00,109
people who the Arian faith also I had a

852
00:42:05,890 --> 00:42:02,420
similar point of view that were all

853
00:42:09,490 --> 00:42:05,900
wiped out or eliminated over time in

854
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:09,500
favor of the Latin Church so really if

855
00:42:14,289 --> 00:42:11,210
you look into Priscilla in what I found

856
00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:14,299
most interesting was a lot of serious

857
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:17,540
scholars believe that he was interred in

858
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:19,970
the crypt beneath the Cathedral in

859
00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:23,930
Santiago de Compostela long before the

860
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:29,270
cult of Saint James even developed so he

861
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:31,609
may be one of the real reasons that the

862
00:42:37,809 --> 00:42:34,880
pilgrimage route is developed or valued

863
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:37,819
in alternate ways I mean even in Falken

864
00:42:42,819 --> 00:42:39,770
ali's mystery of the cathedrals they

865
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:42,829
talk about this alternate value of the

866
00:42:48,490 --> 00:42:45,500
Camino de Santiago in st. James himself

867
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:48,500
and this may be one of the hidden things

868
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:51,230
but really what is most interesting is

869
00:42:56,349 --> 00:42:53,690
that priscilly and was eventually

870
00:43:00,180 --> 00:42:56,359
beheaded in tree air which is on the

871
00:43:02,789 --> 00:43:00,190
adriatic sea not far from venice

872
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,799
and his remains were brought back by his

873
00:43:07,859 --> 00:43:04,720
followers and hidden in an unknown

874
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:07,869
location so here we go with the hidden

875
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,440
man in the mountain type mythology again

876
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:13,359
applied to this kind of Gnostic

877
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:15,970
Christian figure in the form of

878
00:43:22,049 --> 00:43:18,670
priscilly on who they think is interred

879
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:22,059
there in Santiago de Compostela but

880
00:43:27,059 --> 00:43:24,609
after his execution all of his acolytes

881
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:27,069
or disciples or other bishops that

882
00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:28,720
supported him

883
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:31,240
two of them were exiled to the Isles of

884
00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:35,650
skille which is terribly interesting

885
00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:38,950
just giving you no subsequent events

886
00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:42,190
because later we have during the 10th

887
00:43:48,539 --> 00:43:45,880
century King Olaf of Norway spending an

888
00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:48,549
extended amount of time in the Isles of

889
00:43:55,289 --> 00:43:51,400
skill II and after he has an encounter

890
00:43:59,760 --> 00:43:55,299
with a hermit in a cave he decides to

891
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,770
convert to Christianity so there's some

892
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,079
speculation out there that states evens

893
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,480
the form of Christianity that he was

894
00:44:11,250 --> 00:44:07,359
exposed to had been affected by these

895
00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:11,260
earlier priscila inist s-- or acolytes

896
00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:13,270
of priscilla in that had been exiled

897
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:15,880
there and some even speculate this

898
00:44:21,299 --> 00:44:18,190
explains some of the stories of joseph

899
00:44:25,319 --> 00:44:21,309
of arimathea and christ himself coming

900
00:44:27,779 --> 00:44:25,329
to cornwall so it's interesting that

901
00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:27,789
King Olaf I mean that here here's a man

902
00:44:35,069 --> 00:44:30,760
that has direct relations to all the

903
00:44:37,620 --> 00:44:35,079
Earl's of Orkney to the the Norwegian

904
00:44:40,769 --> 00:44:37,630
history of Scotland and how that

905
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,779
affected all of kind of the history of

906
00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:43,359
Henry Sinclair that everybody speculates

907
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:45,460
came to North America and things like

908
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:48,010
this and here he is present in this

909
00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:50,250
place that I had already identified

910
00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:53,380
where an axis is that was used to

911
00:45:00,059 --> 00:44:56,380
legally describe New England soclean

912
00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:00,069
Elizabeth could claim it so that's very

913
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:02,819
interesting and and that's not all

914
00:45:08,010 --> 00:45:07,119
because seriously later in history the

915
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:08,020
Cavaliers

916
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:12,690
came to the Isles of Skelly during the

917
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:16,260
the the the revolt the wars against

918
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:18,690
Charles the first and second the

919
00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:20,910
Cavaliers were driven out of England and

920
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:22,920
they took refuge in the aisles of Skelly

921
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:25,950
where they accept spent an extended

922
00:45:31,809 --> 00:45:28,530
amount of time and could have learned of

923
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:31,819
this folklore there at that time

924
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:34,829
associated with both king olaf and

925
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:39,240
priscilla n' so it's amazing that after

926
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,250
i found all this out i found that the

927
00:45:47,779 --> 00:45:44,160
cavaliers had used that as their last

928
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:47,789
ditch fortress in losing their conflict

929
00:45:53,529 --> 00:45:50,970
with the Parliamentarians and then after

930
00:45:57,130 --> 00:45:53,539
the war was over a lot of these same men

931
00:46:01,460 --> 00:45:57,140
were exiled in Newport Rhode Island in

932
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:01,470
Williamsburg Virginia wow that's just

933
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:05,460
mind-blowing so that one place it's

934
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,930
really interesting too because the

935
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:08,880
aisles of Skelly are home to a lot of

936
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:11,760
megalithic features dolmens and standing

937
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:14,970
stones and the isles of Skelly fall on

938
00:46:22,339 --> 00:46:19,380
the famous michael ley line o of england

939
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:22,349
as well they included in that part of

940
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:26,700
the alignment and interesting as well if

941
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:28,770
the michael line if you extend it across

942
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:31,230
the north sea goes to Bornholm island

943
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:32,730
the very island that Henry Lincoln

944
00:46:38,359 --> 00:46:36,210
points to as however around churches in

945
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,369
all of these navigational attributes as

946
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:41,119
well that's all along the way this

947
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:44,579
navigational theme is they're not coming

948
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,430
just for me that you look at the

949
00:46:51,859 --> 00:46:49,200
Cavaliers being there and this is a

950
00:46:55,339 --> 00:46:51,869
group you know that that supported

951
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,349
Charles the first that Charles the first

952
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:57,480
himself would have been aware of all of

953
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:01,079
this in my earlier description or on the

954
00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:04,020
last show of the Arcadian mysteries all

955
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:06,270
of that is based on the Kings not at

956
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:09,000
stirling castle which was built in honor

957
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:12,329
of Charles the first the Kings not

958
00:47:18,289 --> 00:47:16,140
octagon points to Shugborough Hall where

959
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:18,299
we have the Shepherd's monument which I

960
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:20,099
believe is a memento mori

961
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:22,980
to Charles the first whose last words

962
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:26,400
were from the book by Philip Sidney

963
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,750
entitled Arcadia that also seems to

964
00:47:38,029 --> 00:47:33,119
include the original Oak Island story in

965
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:38,039
the same book so so if you look at all

966
00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:40,680
this in terms of folklore and practical

967
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:43,470
views of people who used mythology and

968
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:45,390
literature and artwork to communicate

969
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,130
with each other in kind of a mystery

970
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:49,440
school manner because they were being

971
00:47:54,579 --> 00:47:52,380
persecuted that the aisles of Skelly

972
00:47:59,930 --> 00:47:54,589
become a really important point that

973
00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:59,940
later even Longfellow in his musicians

974
00:48:06,019 --> 00:48:02,880
tale wrote the saga of King Olaf and

975
00:48:09,529 --> 00:48:06,029
even describes Olaf's encounter with the

976
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:09,539
Hermit on the aisles of Skelly and also

977
00:48:15,339 --> 00:48:12,390
other works like a skeleton and armor

978
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:15,349
that relate to the Newport tower and

979
00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:18,180
poems like Evangeline that are about

980
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:22,859
french acadia and he even wrote a poem

981
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:25,520
called the ballot of the french fleet

982
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:29,849
which refers to the failed duke they

983
00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:34,020
wrote failed the anvils expedition to

984
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:38,339
invade the colonies in which he passed

985
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:40,650
away and was interred on an island and

986
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:43,529
Halifax Harbour and Nova Scotia and this

987
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,250
was recently featured on the Oak Island

988
00:48:52,279 --> 00:48:49,440
curse of Oak Island TV show because the

989
00:48:54,769 --> 00:48:52,289
name broke for called appears on the

990
00:48:57,019 --> 00:48:54,779
quote Cremona a document map that

991
00:49:01,519 --> 00:48:57,029
they've been looking at there the Xena

992
00:49:04,579 --> 00:49:01,529
Halpern map correct yeah yeah you know

993
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:04,589
you mentioned that this navigation theme

994
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:07,170
just keeps coming up over and over again

995
00:49:17,029 --> 00:49:11,910
it reminds me that in in the Priory of

996
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:17,039
Sion there was a an office called not

997
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:21,960
near which is a navigator right and

998
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:24,329
that's the same term in mystery of the

999
00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:27,680
cathedrals by Falcon le that is applied

1000
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:32,190
to those that have been initiated so I

1001
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:34,440
can't stress that enough it mystery of

1002
00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:38,400
the cathedrals is a is an interesting

1003
00:49:42,590 --> 00:49:39,940
book that's hard to read

1004
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:42,600
but you have to read it over and over

1005
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:45,070
including the introductions to the book

1006
00:49:49,470 --> 00:49:47,710
and there's direct references where he's

1007
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:49,480
just telling you that this is the way

1008
00:49:55,830 --> 00:49:53,530
things work and I say again - because

1009
00:49:57,930 --> 00:49:55,840
this relates us to the de Badia family

1010
00:50:00,480 --> 00:49:57,940
who were also involved in the

1011
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:00,490
development of French Acadia and then

1012
00:50:05,130 --> 00:50:02,560
later famous for the great cichlid cross

1013
00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:05,140
of aand a mystery that we've talked

1014
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:07,960
about before on our show with Laura

1015
00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:11,260
Lamberty and and how that all relates as

1016
00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:13,630
well so it just seems at every turn

1017
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:15,640
there's people creating monuments with

1018
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:18,250
great meaning that also seemed to have

1019
00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:20,470
Geographic qualities or directional

1020
00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:24,520
attributes yeah absolutely now that book

1021
00:50:28,830 --> 00:50:26,680
mystery of the cathedrals by Falcone

1022
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:28,840
only if I'm not mistaken I think that's

1023
00:50:33,450 --> 00:50:30,670
online I think you can read it online

1024
00:50:35,490 --> 00:50:33,460
for free can't you yes there's a PDF of

1025
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,500
it available if you just word search for

1026
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:36,880
you'll see a couple of different places

1027
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:43,930
I hate I hate reading online but it is

1028
00:50:48,570 --> 00:50:46,330
good because you can do searches and

1029
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:48,580
find certain terms and things like that

1030
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:51,970
and and look things up and reference

1031
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:53,470
things much easier that way

1032
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:56,110
but it's nice that it's available there

1033
00:50:59,300 --> 00:50:57,520
I'd like to have a hard copy of it

1034
00:51:03,480 --> 00:50:59,310
myself though

1035
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:03,490
but now with all this well we're going

1036
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:04,780
to have to take another break here in

1037
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:07,090
just a minute so I don't want to get off

1038
00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:09,730
on too much of a subject area but when

1039
00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:12,550
we go back to Poe and in Longfellow

1040
00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:16,900
now were there a lot of clues do you

1041
00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:20,020
think in the writings of what Henry

1042
00:51:26,490 --> 00:51:24,220
Wadsworth Longfellow yes definitely he's

1043
00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:26,500
telling you stories that directly relate

1044
00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:29,020
to all of the kind of movement to

1045
00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:31,120
suggest that the Norse had come to North

1046
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:34,390
America before they were aware of Lanza

1047
00:51:39,150 --> 00:51:36,910
meadows and so they they wanted to

1048
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:39,160
promote this idea because they knew or

1049
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:41,050
felt that it was true because of what

1050
00:51:46,860 --> 00:51:43,930
was in the sagas indicated that people

1051
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:46,870
had been there and what's interesting is

1052
00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:49,090
the people that had been here all really

1053
00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:52,420
have the heaviest relation to the

1054
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:53,860
Norwegian

1055
00:51:59,040 --> 00:51:57,610
culture of Scotland so that kind of fits

1056
00:52:01,490 --> 00:51:59,050
in later with the out could be

1057
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:01,500
appreciated by the Cavaliers and

1058
00:52:05,970 --> 00:52:03,910
Jacobites who all supported the more

1059
00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:05,980
Scottish oriented monarchy that was

1060
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:08,980
exiled right so so throughout the whole

1061
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:12,190
time you see them developing these kind

1062
00:52:17,970 --> 00:52:14,590
of themes in their work if you read the

1063
00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:17,980
saga of King Olaf even the language in

1064
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:19,840
there includes a lot of the terms that

1065
00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:23,400
are present on the Kensington Runestone

1066
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:26,470
like scary's and some of the stories of

1067
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:29,680
the passages in the saga of King Olaf

1068
00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:35,890
refer to two voyages of discovery and

1069
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,460
and as I said they used similar terms

1070
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:41,440
such as the scary's that are on the

1071
00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:46,030
Kensington Runestone that Longfellow had

1072
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:49,990
probably been introduced all of these

1073
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:51,790
things by his friendship with an

1074
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:55,920
interesting man named old bull and

1075
00:53:01,590 --> 00:52:59,200
that's an interesting play on words for

1076
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,600
a name because it's spelled Oh le and

1077
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:04,240
his last name is bull so it's the

1078
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,240
Norwegian name ole ole a bull so they

1079
00:53:16,110 --> 00:53:12,880
had a good sense of humor possibly his

1080
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:16,120
parents did but this Norwegian bull

1081
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:18,250
family is actually descendant of King

1082
00:53:24,450 --> 00:53:21,550
Olaf an old bull was one of the most

1083
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:24,460
famous violinists of the mid 19th

1084
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:27,130
century in Europe and he was close

1085
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:30,130
friends with Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

1086
00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:35,200
and mr. bull even attempted to start

1087
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:38,740
what is what was termed the bull colony

1088
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:42,640
or the OL a bull colony in Pennsylvania

1089
00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:45,790
which was a Norwegian colony during the

1090
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,680
1850s so he introduced Longfellow to a

1091
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:52,960
man named Christian rafen who is the

1092
00:53:58,770 --> 00:53:56,290
first scholar to actually write that he

1093
00:54:03,090 --> 00:53:58,780
suspected the Newport tower was of Norse

1094
00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:03,100
origins and Longfellow was also friends

1095
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:06,040
with the man named eben Horsford who had

1096
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:07,680
created the Nuremberg

1097
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:10,650
our in Boston and espoused the theory

1098
00:54:18,109 --> 00:54:12,900
that there was once a heavily populated

1099
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,119
North colony in the Boston area which a

1100
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:20,160
lot of this was later disproven the

1101
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:22,290
examples he tried to present as being

1102
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:24,230
North's culture were just earlier

1103
00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:28,200
colonial affectations and a lot of

1104
00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:30,750
people immediately pointed out that

1105
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:38,180
movements kind of to discredit Columbus

1106
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:39,930
and give the Norse the credit that they

1107
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:43,740
did deserve and and other things in the

1108
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:47,670
United States even possibly the

1109
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:49,650
Kensington Runestone were part of this

1110
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:51,569
kind of movement just to promote that

1111
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:54,329
point of view as opposed to all of these

1112
00:54:58,670 --> 00:54:56,760
things actually being real so

1113
00:55:02,120 --> 00:54:58,680
longfellows friendship with both of

1114
00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:02,130
these men in relation to the kind of

1115
00:55:07,460 --> 00:55:05,640
mythology we see at the Newport tower in

1116
00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:07,470
coupled with the movement of the

1117
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:09,990
Cavaliers and Jacobites suggests that

1118
00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:12,210
this was all just something that was

1119
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:15,990
created to promote their views on

1120
00:55:22,609 --> 00:55:20,390
culture and politics at the time Wow

1121
00:55:25,099 --> 00:55:22,619
well that sounds like a good place to

1122
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:25,109
take a quick break and when we come back

1123
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:27,930
more with court Lindell and more of the

1124
00:55:34,099 --> 00:55:32,609
mysteries hang in there with us welcome

1125
00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:34,109
back to night vision if you're just

1126
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:35,670
joining us we've been talking tonight

1127
00:55:40,819 --> 00:55:38,040
with Courtland oh he's an author and a

1128
00:55:45,849 --> 00:55:40,829
historian a researcher of the great

1129
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,859
mysteries his specialty is looking into

1130
00:55:51,289 --> 00:55:48,480
connections between structures in

1131
00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:51,299
features and landscapes around the world

1132
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,780
and the secret history behind those and

1133
00:55:59,569 --> 00:55:56,160
the families that are sort of

1134
00:56:02,690 --> 00:55:59,579
interconnected to all those structures

1135
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:02,700
and boy did they tell a story another

1136
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,569
site that you talked about often and

1137
00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:08,880
we've heard about often in terms of

1138
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:11,940
something secret being buried and some

1139
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:13,619
great mystery is in Williamsburg

1140
00:56:26,570 --> 00:56:24,410
what's the latest on that Court well the

1141
00:56:29,540 --> 00:56:26,580
latest is really interesting and I have

1142
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:29,550
to stop and give credit where credit is

1143
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:33,090
due for a moment to Marie Bauer Hall who

1144
00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:36,090
investigated the Burton vault mystery in

1145
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:40,590
Williamsburg in the 1930s Manley P all

1146
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:43,770
right correct and we know Manley P Hall

1147
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:45,870
wrote extensively about the Rosicrucian

1148
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:48,900
overtones of the origins of the United

1149
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:52,260
States and you can see this you know

1150
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:55,200
actively at play in her theories about

1151
00:56:59,690 --> 00:56:58,140
what happened in Williamsburg and really

1152
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,700
there's a legend there there's there's

1153
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:01,920
two men named Nathaniel bacon that were

1154
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:04,650
actually cousins to each other that were

1155
00:57:09,830 --> 00:57:07,350
from the same bacon family as Sir

1156
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:09,840
Francis Bacon they were related directly

1157
00:57:15,890 --> 00:57:12,840
to the same sources going back through

1158
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:15,900
the Bacon family that Sir Francis Bacon

1159
00:57:25,060 --> 00:57:21,000
was from and the legend states that a

1160
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:25,070
the first Nathaniel bacon had brought a

1161
00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:28,680
stash of Sir Francis Bacon's papers to

1162
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:31,470
Jamestown and that they were hidden in a

1163
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:33,870
vault beneath the Jamestown Church which

1164
00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:36,210
I recently visited as well which was

1165
00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:39,500
very interesting and fun to do and

1166
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:42,300
eventually it was moved to the bruton

1167
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,490
parish church in Williamsburg which is

1168
00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:47,040
an Episcopal Church just like where I

1169
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:49,380
found other mysteries happening in

1170
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,740
association with in Newport and Edenton

1171
00:57:57,350 --> 00:57:54,720
North Carolina as well which is the

1172
00:58:01,100 --> 00:57:57,360
colonial capital of North Carolina for a

1173
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:01,110
while but the whole myth that that she

1174
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:04,770
deduced that there was an original

1175
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:07,050
bruton parish church that was torn down

1176
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:09,930
and then the new one was built at around

1177
00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:14,400
the turn of the 1600s to the 1700s all

1178
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:19,980
the same site yes very close within

1179
00:58:23,810 --> 00:58:21,570
yards of each other hmm

1180
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:23,820
and she actually determined from looking

1181
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,170
at old maps that the old foundation was

1182
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:30,960
located where the graveyard is now and

1183
00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:33,270
it was interesting because she

1184
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:36,540
found a tombstone there from a man named

1185
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:39,510
James Nicholson and his dates of birth

1186
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:40,950
and death

1187
00:58:46,340 --> 00:58:43,410
matched the distance to the old

1188
00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:46,350
foundations of the church in feet when

1189
00:58:51,470 --> 00:58:48,750
measured from Wren Hall on the campus of

1190
00:58:53,540 --> 00:58:51,480
William and Mary which was designed by

1191
00:58:59,120 --> 00:58:53,550
famous Masonic architect Christopher

1192
00:59:01,520 --> 00:58:59,130
Wren and so that seemed more than a

1193
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:01,530
coincidence and as I dug into that I

1194
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:04,200
actually found out that Thomas Jefferson

1195
00:59:10,850 --> 00:59:07,680
himself was associated in friends with

1196
00:59:12,860 --> 00:59:10,860
James Nicholson who was the gardener and

1197
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:12,870
steward of the College of William and

1198
00:59:16,750 --> 00:59:15,330
Mary and attended the Burton parish

1199
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:16,760
church as well

1200
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:20,130
and I found records even of Thomas

1201
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:22,170
Jefferson giving him an undisclosed

1202
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:25,730
amount of money the year before he died

1203
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:29,070
so this led me to the thought that maybe

1204
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:31,890
he actually paid for the tombstone to

1205
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,250
contain this information when in reality

1206
00:59:40,940 --> 00:59:37,980
he just may have been buying seeds for

1207
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:40,950
mr. Nicholson hmm but but it's also

1208
00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:43,050
interesting that Nicholson shares the

1209
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:45,750
same name with the Governor Francis

1210
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:47,730
Nicholson who I stated before had

1211
00:59:53,060 --> 00:59:50,730
designed the street plan of Williamsburg

1212
00:59:55,850 --> 00:59:53,070
in its linear array which I believe

1213
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:55,860
refers to the New Jerusalem and New

1214
01:00:02,540 --> 00:59:59,010
Atlantis concepts of kind of opposing

1215
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:02,550
views you know in philosophy and

1216
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:04,650
religion and maybe possibly even

1217
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,010
Rosicrucian thought at that time so it's

1218
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,280
really interesting that miss Hall had

1219
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:14,160
had figured this out after she was only

1220
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:18,210
able to view a map of old williamsburg

1221
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:21,210
one of the original maps that included

1222
01:00:28,220 --> 01:00:23,850
the name of J of Francis Nicholson on

1223
01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:28,230
the map so that was interesting in

1224
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:32,190
relation to her theory revolved around a

1225
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:35,880
book of symbols that was written by a

1226
01:00:40,190 --> 01:00:38,610
man named George whither who was friends

1227
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:40,200
and part of the circle of Sir Francis

1228
01:00:46,190 --> 01:00:43,980
Bacon and this book consists of a lot of

1229
01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:46,200
etchings and interesting graving x' that

1230
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:46,920
are also

1231
01:00:53,059 --> 01:00:50,609
Bulls and have Greek and Latin sayings

1232
01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:53,069
that come with them and a passage of

1233
01:01:00,770 --> 01:00:57,089
poetry and it's what I found as I dug

1234
01:01:04,460 --> 01:01:00,780
into that that the book was divided into

1235
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:04,470
four parts each dedicated to a different

1236
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:07,740
person or the King Charles was one of

1237
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:10,500
the parts the Duchess of Richmond but

1238
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:12,660
amazingly one of the quarters of the

1239
01:01:18,589 --> 01:01:15,930
book was dedicated to philip herbert who

1240
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:18,599
is the nephew of philip sidney who wrote

1241
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:23,369
Arcadia Wow so that was an interesting

1242
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:25,910
crossover and in the back of the book

1243
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:29,280
the book even infers a kind of game

1244
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:31,650
where certain passages are selected by

1245
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:34,410
the reader and then you can compare them

1246
01:01:41,799 --> 01:01:38,280
to another index in the back of the book

1247
01:01:45,470 --> 01:01:41,809
that is in turn compared to a Windrose

1248
01:01:47,539 --> 01:01:45,480
illustration that Arkans us back to the

1249
01:01:50,859 --> 01:01:47,549
Tower of the winds and the true function

1250
01:01:53,809 --> 01:01:50,869
of the powder magazine in Williamsburg

1251
01:01:56,059 --> 01:01:53,819
that has each quarter of the wind

1252
01:01:59,660 --> 01:01:56,069
dedicated to the same person that the

1253
01:02:02,240 --> 01:01:59,670
portions of the book are dedicated to so

1254
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:02,250
in in the book Philip Herbert is the

1255
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:06,960
north wind and he is also one of the

1256
01:02:13,460 --> 01:02:08,910
subjects of the dedication of the first

1257
01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:13,470
folio of Shakespeare that you know we

1258
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:15,390
all know Petter admins and he's been on

1259
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:18,180
your show as well as deciphered many

1260
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:21,780
things from that book and so it's

1261
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:23,730
interesting that she hi it's Jamie

1262
01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:25,319
progress's employee of the month two

1263
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:26,910
months in a row leave a message at the

1264
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:29,640
hi Jamie it's me Jamie I just had a new

1265
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,079
idea for our song with the name your

1266
01:02:35,150 --> 01:02:33,119
price tool so when it's like tell us

1267
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,160
what you want to pay hey hey hey the

1268
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:36,960
trombone goes blah blah blah and you say

1269
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:38,700
we'll help you find carpet options to

1270
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:41,130
fit your budget then we just all do

1271
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,930
finger snaps while choir goes babies

1272
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:44,400
coming at cha savings coming out Jeff

1273
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:45,690
yes no maybe

1274
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:47,609
anyway see your practice tonight I got

1275
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:49,859
new lyrics for the rap break progressive

1276
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:50,819
casualty insurance company and

1277
01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:51,839
affiliates pricing coverage match

1278
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:53,339
limited by state law had all these

1279
01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:55,290
theories that there were illustrations

1280
01:02:59,839 --> 01:02:57,270
in the book that related to Williamsburg

1281
01:03:00,500 --> 01:02:59,849
and those are kind of more open-ended

1282
01:03:02,810 --> 01:03:00,510
but I

1283
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:02,820
she could be right even one of the

1284
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:06,090
illustrations displays a hog that is a

1285
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:08,310
common reference to Sir Francis Bacon

1286
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:11,040
and other scenes in the book in the

1287
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:13,290
etching seem to even depict the streets

1288
01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:16,380
of Williamsburg so even though this is

1289
01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:19,140
interpretive I think her instincts were

1290
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:21,870
right and she seems to have been

1291
01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:24,930
influenced by an English man named

1292
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:28,020
Cunningham that tipped her off to all of

1293
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:31,500
this and then she later kind of became

1294
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:33,000
obsessed with it and spent a few years

1295
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,490
in Williamsburg working with the

1296
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:37,440
directors of the church and the

1297
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,530
Rockefeller Foundation that was at that

1298
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:42,960
time restoring the colonial capital to

1299
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:47,250
what it had originally been so as all of

1300
01:03:52,310 --> 01:03:50,010
this progressed on it was just terribly

1301
01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:52,320
interesting I looked at the the family

1302
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:55,260
of Nathaniel bacon and discovered that

1303
01:04:00,290 --> 01:03:58,290
even two of the descendants of the elder

1304
01:04:03,650 --> 01:04:00,300
Nathaniel bacon had worked for President

1305
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:03,660
Jefferson at Monticello managing the

1306
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:07,290
estate for a 30-year period and we know

1307
01:04:13,580 --> 01:04:11,520
that when Sir Francis Bacon is one of

1308
01:04:17,180 --> 01:04:13,590
Jefferson's three most admired people

1309
01:04:19,070 --> 01:04:17,190
even owned a painting or portrait of Sir

1310
01:04:20,540 --> 01:04:19,080
Francis Bacon as part of his art

1311
01:04:22,580 --> 01:04:20,550
collection which is really interesting

1312
01:04:26,090 --> 01:04:22,590
and we've been able to tell a lot about

1313
01:04:28,970 --> 01:04:26,100
that because he owned a copy of Magdalen

1314
01:04:32,540 --> 01:04:28,980
Penton as well and other you know

1315
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:32,550
paintings that that are associated even

1316
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:34,770
with a George Delatour who painted a

1317
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:37,440
rendering of the same subject matter to

1318
01:04:42,430 --> 01:04:39,660
going back to our Delatour connections

1319
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:42,440
to Nova Scotia France and even Virginia

1320
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:48,000
later so as I started to look into this

1321
01:04:55,090 --> 01:04:52,530
I linked it all to Bacon's Rebellion in

1322
01:04:58,180 --> 01:04:55,100
Virginia which was an interesting

1323
01:05:02,420 --> 01:04:58,190
happening whereas in Nathaniel bacon

1324
01:05:05,420 --> 01:05:02,430
rebelled against the the kind of more

1325
01:05:07,390 --> 01:05:05,430
loyalist faction of colonists there that

1326
01:05:11,690 --> 01:05:07,400
were working things to their advantage

1327
01:05:13,690 --> 01:05:11,700
so over time in Virginia at first a lot

1328
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:13,700
of people came as in

1329
01:05:18,490 --> 01:05:16,430
answered servants the the people who

1330
01:05:20,860 --> 01:05:18,500
live there would pay for people to come

1331
01:05:24,730 --> 01:05:20,870
over and subsequently get the land that

1332
01:05:27,580 --> 01:05:24,740
they were due by coming to be a colonist

1333
01:05:30,670 --> 01:05:27,590
and these people would have to serve a

1334
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:30,680
term of indentured servitude so about

1335
01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:33,770
the time of 1676 coincidentally a

1336
01:05:39,690 --> 01:05:36,670
hundred years before the Revolution of

1337
01:05:42,370 --> 01:05:39,700
Nathaniel bacon staged this revolt

1338
01:05:44,260 --> 01:05:42,380
against the powers that be because a pot

1339
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:44,270
large population of these freed

1340
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:46,490
indentured servants had found themselves

1341
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:49,910
now in the colonies landless and having

1342
01:05:54,790 --> 01:05:52,610
a much less of an advantage than the

1343
01:05:57,370 --> 01:05:54,800
landed gentry did so here are already at

1344
01:06:00,610 --> 01:05:57,380
this early period in the colonies we're

1345
01:06:03,970 --> 01:06:00,620
seeing a division based on gentry and

1346
01:06:07,180 --> 01:06:03,980
land ownership and wealth that kind of

1347
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:07,190
follows the the pattern through American

1348
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:08,960
history to the revolution

1349
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:11,330
so Nathaniel bacon even wrote a

1350
01:06:19,060 --> 01:06:16,400
declaration of independence so to speak

1351
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:19,070
stating all of the reasons that he was

1352
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:22,970
revolting against the governor Berkeley

1353
01:06:31,620 --> 01:06:27,890
at the time who was part of the more

1354
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:31,630
loyalist faction but ultimately a

1355
01:06:38,140 --> 01:06:34,880
Nathaniel bacon passed away while the

1356
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:38,150
revolt was still going on and the

1357
01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:41,410
whereabouts of his remains are unknown

1358
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:43,910
so we see even President Jefferson

1359
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:47,180
having a great admiration for Nathaniel

1360
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:50,810
bacon and even it's postulated in some

1361
01:06:56,770 --> 01:06:54,050
of his comments reveal that he wrote the

1362
01:07:01,360 --> 01:06:56,780
Declaration of Independence partially

1363
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:01,370
inspired by Nathaniel bacon mmm and it's

1364
01:07:06,910 --> 01:07:04,010
terribly interesting too because the the

1365
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:06,920
family that donated the land where the

1366
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:08,960
bruton parish church was built as the

1367
01:07:15,010 --> 01:07:12,490
page family and they were heavily

1368
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:15,020
related to the Randolph family of

1369
01:07:21,130 --> 01:07:19,010
president Jefferson's mother so he

1370
01:07:23,530 --> 01:07:21,140
actually had page family members that

1371
01:07:25,330 --> 01:07:23,540
were cousins and close friends of his

1372
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,340
while he was a student at William and

1373
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:27,680
Mary and he was even if said

1374
01:07:33,579 --> 01:07:31,280
to have drafted the Declaration of

1375
01:07:35,890 --> 01:07:33,589
Independence at the pages Rosewall

1376
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:35,900
mansion in Gloucester Virginia not far

1377
01:07:44,410 --> 01:07:40,730
from Williamsburg yes in the same area

1378
01:07:47,799 --> 01:07:44,420
where Nathaniel bacon supposedly passed

1379
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:47,809
away and we don't know what happened to

1380
01:07:51,819 --> 01:07:49,700
his body right so we're seeing another

1381
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:51,829
man in the mountain mystery developing

1382
01:07:57,579 --> 01:07:55,369
here that even in the octagonal powder

1383
01:07:59,740 --> 01:07:57,589
magazine which i think is part of this

1384
01:08:03,010 --> 01:07:59,750
mystery includes a stained-glass window

1385
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,020
of Nathaniel bacon and this is the

1386
01:08:07,420 --> 01:08:05,599
structure I just described as pointing

1387
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:07,430
to the Newport tower the Newport tower

1388
01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:10,690
pointing back to and I believe

1389
01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:13,480
Nathaniel Bacon's remains or somewhere

1390
01:08:20,890 --> 01:08:16,190
pointed to by the powder magazine in

1391
01:08:23,410 --> 01:08:20,900
Williamsburg that's so strange but you

1392
01:08:29,979 --> 01:08:23,420
know in talking about bruton parish

1393
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:29,989
church in mary palmer what's her name

1394
01:08:36,189 --> 01:08:34,250
Hall you said that you know she she

1395
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:36,199
figured out that you know where the

1396
01:08:41,890 --> 01:08:39,410
location of the original foundation of

1397
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:41,900
the original Church was and it happens

1398
01:08:47,410 --> 01:08:43,759
to be where the cemetery is located now

1399
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:47,420
she located this grave and somehow the

1400
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:51,679
the dates of the birth and death you

1401
01:08:57,519 --> 01:08:53,750
know add up to this measurement of the

1402
01:09:00,840 --> 01:08:57,529
church I mean that's pretty amazing that

1403
01:09:03,849 --> 01:09:00,850
she even I mean did she look at every

1404
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:03,859
headstone and try to figure out if there

1405
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:06,290
was something and in every single thing

1406
01:09:12,579 --> 01:09:09,770
and you know if if there was this

1407
01:09:15,849 --> 01:09:12,589
precise measurement denoted on this

1408
01:09:17,890 --> 01:09:15,859
gravestone who was this guy in this

1409
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:17,900
grave or was there really a guy in the

1410
01:09:24,430 --> 01:09:20,799
grave have they ever opened that grave

1411
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,440
at all no not that I know of

1412
01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:26,719
but but to me it's fascinating that his

1413
01:09:30,910 --> 01:09:28,670
name is the same as the governor who

1414
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:30,920
designed the street plan and everybody

1415
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:33,650
credits even for the design of the

1416
01:09:39,789 --> 01:09:36,170
National Mall in Washington DC being a

1417
01:09:41,289 --> 01:09:39,799
copy of what he did so here we have this

1418
01:09:44,620 --> 01:09:41,299
landscape

1419
01:09:46,450 --> 01:09:44,630
portion of it that this gentleman was

1420
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:46,460
once the governor of Nova Scotia and

1421
01:09:51,370 --> 01:09:48,500
also founded the church in Newport Rhode

1422
01:09:53,260 --> 01:09:51,380
Island that he has a connection to many

1423
01:09:55,870 --> 01:09:53,270
of these places to where these kind of

1424
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:55,880
intentionally contrived mysteries seem

1425
01:10:00,939 --> 01:09:57,770
to be presented to us where we may

1426
01:10:03,729 --> 01:10:00,949
examine them find these facts and really

1427
01:10:07,569 --> 01:10:03,739
start to get a feel for what is really

1428
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,579
being told and that's why it was amazing

1429
01:10:12,010 --> 01:10:09,679
that miss Hall was able to discern all

1430
01:10:14,620 --> 01:10:12,020
of this in the age before the Internet I

1431
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:14,630
keep saying if she had the Internet she

1432
01:10:20,290 --> 01:10:17,570
would have nailed this right of way man

1433
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:20,300
problem at all because she did so well

1434
01:10:26,879 --> 01:10:24,409
at it just with what she had and and let

1435
01:10:29,919 --> 01:10:26,889
me add real quick here to Philip Herbert

1436
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:29,929
was the daughter of Mary Sidney Countess

1437
01:10:33,569 --> 01:10:32,090
of Pembroke who is the sister of Philip

1438
01:10:37,540 --> 01:10:33,579
Sidney okay

1439
01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:37,550
Hey mm-hmm there is a conspiracy theory

1440
01:10:41,649 --> 01:10:39,230
that Sir Robert Dudley and Queen

1441
01:10:44,740 --> 01:10:41,659
Elizabeth are actually the parents of

1442
01:10:47,919 --> 01:10:44,750
Sir Francis Bacon and this was espoused

1443
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,929
by Manley P hall and Marie Paule you

1444
01:10:51,879 --> 01:10:49,520
know some people believe this others

1445
01:10:55,569 --> 01:10:51,889
don't I mean there's enough mystery with

1446
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:55,579
Sir Francis Bacon that we don't need him

1447
01:11:01,780 --> 01:10:58,130
to be the the illegitimate child of

1448
01:11:04,169 --> 01:11:01,790
Queen Elizabeth but later when Charles

1449
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:04,179
the first was about to be beheaded

1450
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:07,449
Philip Herbert was the liaison to

1451
01:11:13,299 --> 01:11:10,369
Charles the first between Parliament and

1452
01:11:17,020 --> 01:11:13,309
him and Philip Herbert actually ended up

1453
01:11:18,910 --> 01:11:17,030
owning the first folio copy that Charles

1454
01:11:23,319 --> 01:11:18,920
the first the King of England had once

1455
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:23,329
owned the very book that was in part

1456
01:11:29,229 --> 01:11:27,110
dedicated to him and if the conspiracy

1457
01:11:34,689 --> 01:11:29,239
theory is true that Robert Dudley and

1458
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:34,699
Queen Elizabeth were the parents of Sir

1459
01:11:38,530 --> 01:11:36,530
Francis Bacon this would have made

1460
01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:38,540
Philip Sidney and Mary Sidney the

1461
01:11:45,879 --> 01:11:41,420
Countess of Pembroke Sir Francis Bacon's

1462
01:11:48,370 --> 01:11:45,889
first cousins hmm that is very

1463
01:11:51,850 --> 01:11:48,380
interesting in addition to all of the

1464
01:11:54,730 --> 01:11:51,860
intrigue with the first folio of the

1465
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:54,740
herbert brothers you know who bow

1466
01:12:00,040 --> 01:11:56,930
married the daughters of the 17th Earl

1467
01:12:02,890 --> 01:12:00,050
of Oxford Edward de Vere who is another

1468
01:12:04,510 --> 01:12:02,900
prime suspect the people point to you as

1469
01:12:07,660 --> 01:12:04,520
having been involved in the production

1470
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:07,670
of Shakespeare that's right that's all

1471
01:12:13,330 --> 01:12:10,400
of this in Williamsburg is a reference

1472
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:13,340
to that but I think ultimately what

1473
01:12:18,490 --> 01:12:16,130
we're supposed to learn is about the

1474
01:12:21,220 --> 01:12:18,500
missing remains of Nathaniel bacon and

1475
01:12:24,850 --> 01:12:21,230
there has been quite an effort in modern

1476
01:12:27,550 --> 01:12:24,860
times to try to locate Nathaniel Bacon's

1477
01:12:29,710 --> 01:12:27,560
grave and I really think that was

1478
01:12:33,190 --> 01:12:29,720
probably the actual mystery that Miss

1479
01:12:39,870 --> 01:12:33,200
Hall was on to and and just didn't have

1480
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:43,990
now you know most of us have heard or a

1481
01:12:49,330 --> 01:12:47,170
lot of us have heard of me LEP Hall and

1482
01:12:51,010 --> 01:12:49,340
especially here in Los Angeles you know

1483
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:51,020
there's the philosophical research

1484
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:55,010
society that you know he's so well known

1485
01:13:00,820 --> 01:12:57,650
for here I actually was saw Manley P

1486
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:00,830
Hall when he was still alive

1487
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:03,920
over at the PDRs I saw him speak one

1488
01:13:11,380 --> 01:13:08,000
Sunday but you know do people know or

1489
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:11,390
have heard much about Mary Palmer Hall

1490
01:13:15,940 --> 01:13:13,730
or at least he you know I didn't know

1491
01:13:20,380 --> 01:13:15,950
much about her what is her background

1492
01:13:25,390 --> 01:13:20,390
what and how is it do you think that she

1493
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:25,400
was able to get so far in her research

1494
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:28,010
well it's an interesting story she she

1495
01:13:33,580 --> 01:13:30,050
was from a you know privileged

1496
01:13:37,420 --> 01:13:33,590
background and she began to take classes

1497
01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:37,430
and and study at the library of the

1498
01:13:42,670 --> 01:13:39,470
philosophical Research Society and

1499
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:42,680
that's how she became involved with

1500
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:45,920
Manley P Hall but the story goes is that

1501
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:48,230
one day she just happened to find a copy

1502
01:13:54,610 --> 01:13:50,480
of George weathers book of symbols an

1503
01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:54,620
original copy in the library and from

1504
01:14:00,220 --> 01:13:56,780
talking to this English person of

1505
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:00,230
Cunningham that she started to suspect

1506
01:14:06,940 --> 01:14:03,440
that it had some relation to Nathaniel

1507
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,950
bacon and Bacon's vault in Williamsburg

1508
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:08,400
and really that part of its not

1509
01:14:12,649 --> 01:14:10,110
clear and that's part of the mysterious

1510
01:14:14,930 --> 01:14:12,659
part about it how she was drawn to

1511
01:14:18,620 --> 01:14:14,940
Williamsburg and Nathaniel bacon because

1512
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,630
it's really kind of an obscure path of

1513
01:14:23,149 --> 01:14:20,400
clues that would lead you to something

1514
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:23,159
like this so really what's inferred is

1515
01:14:29,169 --> 01:14:26,640
somebody possibly mr. Cunningham had

1516
01:14:31,220 --> 01:14:29,179
knowledge of this kind of Cavalier

1517
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:31,230
culture that I was telling you about

1518
01:14:38,090 --> 01:14:34,250
where they created conundrums like this

1519
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:38,100
we know Thomas Jefferson attended the

1520
01:14:45,020 --> 01:14:41,730
College of William and Mary attended the

1521
01:14:47,630 --> 01:14:45,030
bruton parish church he had seen the

1522
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:47,640
powder magazine and created two

1523
01:14:51,860 --> 01:14:49,890
structures later himself or three

1524
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:51,870
structures later that were very similar

1525
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:55,560
to the octagonal form of the powder

1526
01:15:01,040 --> 01:14:58,110
magazine so I think he had been told

1527
01:15:04,220 --> 01:15:01,050
this or he initiated into this and I

1528
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,230
think possibly even Thomas Jefferson is

1529
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:06,960
behind the entire mystery because he

1530
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,090
would have been aware of the

1531
01:15:15,169 --> 01:15:11,040
significance of the herbert's and the

1532
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:15,179
Sidney Arcadia the works of Shakespeare

1533
01:15:19,070 --> 01:15:17,010
all of that would have been something

1534
01:15:21,380 --> 01:15:19,080
that was taught to him at the College of

1535
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:21,390
William and Mary and he would have

1536
01:15:26,899 --> 01:15:24,300
recognized even as a land surveyor what

1537
01:15:30,050 --> 01:15:26,909
the powder magazine actually represented

1538
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:30,060
in establishing a prime meridian in this

1539
01:15:36,260 --> 01:15:32,730
new colony or the new atlantis or new

1540
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:36,270
jerusalem that had been established by

1541
01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:40,500
england so so thomas jefferson the

1542
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,310
brilliant of you know created codes of

1543
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,520
his own he was kind of the spy master of

1544
01:15:52,220 --> 01:15:49,920
the Revolutionary War and early

1545
01:15:54,970 --> 01:15:52,230
intelligence figure in American history

1546
01:15:57,620 --> 01:15:54,980
who had all the cultural background

1547
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:57,630
spending time in France with the Marquis

1548
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:01,280
de Lafayette at all the literary salons

1549
01:16:08,899 --> 01:16:05,489
at Chateau Villette featured in The Da

1550
01:16:10,939 --> 01:16:08,909
Vinci Code he hung out there with the

1551
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:10,949
Marquis de Lafayette and Sophie de

1552
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:13,530
grouchy and her husband the Marquis of

1553
01:16:18,970 --> 01:16:17,010
Condorcet that was also a really well

1554
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:18,980
admired philosopher and

1555
01:16:24,820 --> 01:16:21,770
the founders of the French Academy of

1556
01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:24,830
Arts and Sciences as well so this is the

1557
01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:28,550
crowd that Jefferson was running in that

1558
01:16:33,850 --> 01:16:30,760
included all of these deep thinkers

1559
01:16:36,610 --> 01:16:33,860
people that kind of espoused the the

1560
01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:36,620
later French Revolution that believed

1561
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:40,190
France should be a republic as well that

1562
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:42,050
were later you know kind of forced to

1563
01:16:46,810 --> 01:16:44,960
sit out the Napoleonic era until they

1564
01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:46,820
could actually create a republic like

1565
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:49,910
the United States and France so it's

1566
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,250
very interesting that all these things

1567
01:16:56,830 --> 01:16:54,320
are linked together even going back to

1568
01:16:58,930 --> 01:16:56,840
Poe had an association with Marquis de

1569
01:17:01,990 --> 01:16:58,940
Lafayette and we see his family

1570
01:17:04,510 --> 01:17:02,000
relations to rainless chateau so it's

1571
01:17:07,210 --> 01:17:04,520
just that the more this information

1572
01:17:10,420 --> 01:17:07,220
piles up and we keep saying the similar

1573
01:17:12,670 --> 01:17:10,430
names the families all of the same

1574
01:17:15,610 --> 01:17:12,680
philosophies involved four mystery to

1575
01:17:18,190 --> 01:17:15,620
mystery really kind of leads me to the

1576
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:18,200
fact or the conclusion that even the

1577
01:17:23,410 --> 01:17:20,030
Stewart family is one of the driving

1578
01:17:26,710 --> 01:17:23,420
forces behind it and even a train wash

1579
01:17:30,490 --> 01:17:26,720
at oh we see the wife of Henry v the

1580
01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:30,500
Duke de Chambord who was the exiled King

1581
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:34,310
of France in the mid to late 1800s his

1582
01:17:39,010 --> 01:17:37,040
wife was directly descendant of the

1583
01:17:42,340 --> 01:17:39,020
Stewart's and even as one of the people

1584
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:42,350
who is said to be in line for the exiled

1585
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:46,400
Jacobite throne of Scotland so even a

1586
01:17:52,090 --> 01:17:48,170
trained Lesotho we see kind of this

1587
01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:52,100
convergence of the exiled Kings leaving

1588
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:54,230
of stories and mythology that also

1589
01:18:00,640 --> 01:17:57,290
relates to older mythology this doesn't

1590
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,650
negate any of the older myths of

1591
01:18:05,890 --> 01:18:03,440
treasure being there or something like

1592
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:05,900
the temple treasure or the remains of

1593
01:18:10,450 --> 01:18:08,290
Merovingian Kings or anything like that

1594
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:10,460
but these are things they would have

1595
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:12,050
been aware of and built their own

1596
01:18:17,530 --> 01:18:15,890
mythology on top of that so that it's

1597
01:18:20,050 --> 01:18:17,540
just a wide-ranging thing where the

1598
01:18:22,150 --> 01:18:20,060
connections are so numerous that it's

1599
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:22,160
beginning to be hard to ignore the fact

1600
01:18:28,540 --> 01:18:25,280
that they're all connected together it

1601
01:18:31,660 --> 01:18:28,550
really it really is it's just crazy how

1602
01:18:33,130 --> 01:18:31,670
it all turns out well I hope we can get

1603
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:33,140
you over to France

1604
01:18:42,580 --> 01:18:36,080
in May Court that'd be fabulous thank

1605
01:18:43,930 --> 01:18:42,590
you all you guys stop crazy oh I would

1606
01:18:48,670 --> 01:18:43,940
probably just wouldn't know how to act

1607
01:18:50,770 --> 01:18:48,680
I'm sure it would just be well gosh it's

1608
01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:50,780
been great heaven you want now tell us a

1609
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:52,910
little bit about your latest book and

1610
01:19:00,250 --> 01:18:57,050
how we can find you online how we can

1611
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:00,260
find your videos and your books sure all

1612
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:02,630
my books are available on Amazon now I'm

1613
01:19:09,250 --> 01:19:05,530
up to six books and the latest one is

1614
01:19:11,410 --> 01:19:09,260
oak island in the Arcadian mysteries oak

1615
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island rainless chateau in Chugg Borough

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01:19:16,330 --> 01:19:15,140
Hall revealed because those were the

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01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:16,340
first three where I saw the

1618
01:19:22,330 --> 01:19:19,810
commonalities of the Arcadian theme

1619
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:22,340
involved and those are all available on

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01:19:28,540 --> 01:19:26,210
Amazon on and I'm constantly publishing

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01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:28,550
new articles usually most of the book

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01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:30,530
ends up on my blog for free before I

1623
01:19:36,700 --> 01:19:32,810
publish it so check out survival cell

1624
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:36,710
dot blog spot.com for a lot of articles

1625
01:19:42,010 --> 01:19:40,010
that even relate to my last book as in

1626
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:42,020
things I discovered that related to all

1627
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:44,960
of that after I had already published

1628
01:19:50,410 --> 01:19:47,570
the book like the fact that Virginia was

1629
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:50,420
part of was named Arcadia on the

1630
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:52,970
Verrazano map the same one that points

1631
01:19:58,060 --> 01:19:55,730
out norman villa as being the Newport

1632
01:20:01,960 --> 01:19:58,070
tower we didn't get a chance to talk

1633
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:01,970
about that but Virginia is Arcadia as

1634
01:20:06,150 --> 01:20:04,400
well so I found that interesting in

1635
01:20:09,190 --> 01:20:06,160
relation to the story I just told about

1636
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:09,200
Bacon's Rebellion and the Sir Francis

1637
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:15,170
Bacon influence in Virginia well that is

1638
01:20:20,710 --> 01:20:17,690
crazy now you've got your your YouTube

1639
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:20,720
videos you've got your books and you've

1640
01:20:25,060 --> 01:20:23,120
got your blog so there's plenty of

1641
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:25,070
information out there that you can tap

1642
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:29,210
into and also courts on Facebook as well

1643
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:30,770
so you now go ahead and all over me

1644
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:32,330
they're on Facebook if you have any

1645
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:34,850
questions or want me to straighten out

1646
01:20:39,060 --> 01:20:37,250
something that I you don't understand

1647
01:20:41,890 --> 01:20:39,070
from the interview that's fine

1648
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:41,900
yeah and I'm always working on more

1649
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:45,170
there's always something else oh I know

1650
01:20:48,340 --> 01:20:46,400
I'm always just

1651
01:20:50,590 --> 01:20:48,350
finding more today about my California

1652
01:20:53,649 --> 01:20:50,600
material that I was looking at to that

1653
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:53,659
that it was amazing and so there's

1654
01:20:58,570 --> 01:20:56,480
always it's never-ending and there so I

1655
01:21:03,220 --> 01:20:58,580
was telling my friend Steffensen Dhoni

1656
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:03,230
that there's always more how much you

1657
01:21:09,010 --> 01:21:06,320
find there's always more and he's a

1658
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:09,020
great friend and you you've had him on

1659
01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:13,760
the show before yes and he's a friend of

1660
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:16,310
mine that kind of goes farther out on a

1661
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:19,760
limb as far as the mystical more New Age

1662
01:21:24,610 --> 01:21:22,610
oriented things but but we hung out

1663
01:21:26,410 --> 01:21:24,620
there at Mount Shasta this summer for a

1664
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:26,420
few days and got to know each other and

1665
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,400
came to terms with our differences and

1666
01:21:33,310 --> 01:21:30,800
Stefan's done a lot of great historical

1667
01:21:35,919 --> 01:21:33,320
research as well and he has some great

1668
01:21:38,260 --> 01:21:35,929
stories there that they actually linked

1669
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:38,270
in the Frenchman's tower and all of the

1670
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:40,250
things I found at Mount Shasta too so

1671
01:21:46,930 --> 01:21:42,290
everybody check out Steffensen Dhoni as

1672
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:46,940
well right oh man I guess we've got

1673
01:21:53,260 --> 01:21:49,730
about a minute to go it I just got the

1674
01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:53,270
sign from MJ our wonderful producer who

1675
01:21:57,310 --> 01:21:55,550
I never think enough on the air I always

1676
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,320
think him afterwards because I forget

1677
01:22:01,600 --> 01:21:59,120
while we're on the air but I want to say

1678
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:01,610
thank you to mg for the wonderful job

1679
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:03,199
that he does he's one of the station

1680
01:22:09,340 --> 01:22:05,810
owners and he is our producer here on

1681
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:09,350
night vision radio we love him to death

1682
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:12,290
so also I think MJ's gonna try to get

1683
01:22:16,780 --> 01:22:14,239
over to France the first week of May

1684
01:22:19,180 --> 01:22:16,790
hope to see you all over there if you're

1685
01:22:22,209 --> 01:22:19,190
there and you see me come up and say

1686
01:22:24,820 --> 01:22:22,219
hello and you'll see me running around

1687
01:22:27,370 --> 01:22:24,830
there I'm all over the place when I'm

1688
01:22:30,939 --> 01:22:27,380
there so we'll be having a couple of

1689
01:22:33,310 --> 01:22:30,949
events that will be scheduling and we'll

1690
01:22:34,630 --> 01:22:33,320
have some signs up there but also check

1691
01:22:40,510 --> 01:22:34,640
that Facebook page

1692
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:40,520
reni Union 2018 and sign up and the

1693
01:22:45,610 --> 01:22:43,520
group I'll accept you and you can get

1694
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:45,620
all the latest on anything that we have

1695
01:22:50,050 --> 01:22:48,080
planned coming up though I want to thank

1696
01:22:52,060 --> 01:22:50,060
you court once again for coming back on

1697
01:22:54,729 --> 01:22:52,070
and edifying us with all your great

1698
01:22:56,590 --> 01:22:54,739
information I think my head's about to

1699
01:23:00,820 --> 01:22:56,600
explode but it always does when

1700
01:23:01,750 --> 01:23:00,830
talk to you so that's nothing dude well

1701
01:23:05,020 --> 01:23:01,760
thanks a lot

1702
01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:05,030
and thank you MJ I appreciate it it

1703
01:23:09,820 --> 01:23:08,120
really do alright and be here thanks